@inbook{10.2307/j.ctt7srtx.7,
 ISBN = {9780691117249},
 URL = {http://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt7srtx.7},
 abstract = {One sometimes hears it said that the ancient rhetorical tradition—the orators and teachers of oratory descending from the fifth century B.C. Sophists—had a distinctive, reasonably well developed theory of what constitutes sound argument on the subjects on which orators were expected to speak—justice, human private and communal good, excellence of mind and character, and so on. The suggestion is that in the oratorical tradition one can find a powerful alternative to the ideas developed in the philosophical tradition on this same subject, ideas that involve a commitment to concepts of justice, goodness, excellence, and so on, that},
 bookauthor = {John M. Cooper},
 booktitle = {Knowledge, Nature, and the Good: Essays on Ancient Philosophy},
 pages = {65--80},
 publisher = {Princeton University Press},
 title = {PLATO, ISOCRATES, AND CICERO ON THE INDEPENDENCE OF ORATORY FROM PHILOSOPHY},
 year = {2004}
}